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Local Governments Should Set Salaries, Not State

Arbitration panels determine pay increases for firefighters and police that are too high.

Through the years I have called for the elimination or reform of state arbitration
panels - which have the power to set salaries of police and firefighters. The arbitration panels have made it very difficult for local governments to keep
taxes down since we have no control over part of our budget.

I was thrilled to learn that Governor Andrew Cuomo called for the reform of the arbitration panel laws today. The Governor is suggesting that arbitration panels be barred from increasing compensation by more than 2 percent a year if a municipality meets criteria for a “fiscally distressed” municipality. New Jersey adopted a similar law a few years ago.

The Governor said that employee compensation should follow the same 2 percent guidelines that municipalities face with the 2 percent tax cap. In addition, arbitration panels will be required  to take into account the rising cost of health care when ruling on contracts.

I believe that this proposed law, if approved, will make it easier for every locality in the state to resolve contract disputes with public safety unions.  Right now there is little incentive for unions to stay at the bargaining table if they disapprove of the local governments offer because they know that arbitration panels will probably mandate larger increases. Local governments settle contracts at higher amounts than they could afford because they know that the arbitration awards will be even more costly if they don't settle.   During the height of the recession some arbitration awards were in the 4% salary hike range-state wide.

Personally, I'd like to eliminate arbitration panels. I think local governments should be able to set salaries for all employees. But, I recognize that lawmakers are unlikely to take that step. The Governor's proposal is a great step in the right direction.

A copy of a statement I made in 2010 about this matter follows.

_ PAUL FEINER

 

LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO REDUCE COSTS OF
RUNNING GOV IF ARBITRATION PANELS ARE ELIMINATED

Release Date: May 17, 2010

I have sent letters to County Executive Rob Astorino, all the members of the Westchester delegation to the NYS State Legislature, members of the business community and Town Supervisors/Mayors in Westchester urging them to support a proposal to eliminate arbitration panels.

The county, local governments and fire districts have NO CONTROL over salaries of police and fire fighters. We can negotiate salary agreements. However, if the unions are not pleased with what we are offering our employees –they have the ability to go before an arbitration panel which dictates the salary hikes. As a result of this state law salary increases for emergency service personnel usually exceed inflation.

In recent months many Westchester residents have complained about high property taxes. The New York State Legislature could and should respond to the call for reform by amending the state law that prevents local governments, fire districts and the county of Westchester from unilaterally deciding on the salaries of police and fire fighters. There is a need for an amendment to the Taylor law so that the salaries of police & firefighters are not determined by arbitration panels. In my opinion, the salaries should be decided by local elected officials who are responsible for the approval of a budget. How can you expect local elected officials to control budgets when we don't have any control over the setting of salaries of a large number of our employees?

The Police & firefighters benefit from larger salary increases than many localities can afford because of a labor law (Taylor Law). This law was approved to prevent police and emergency services from striking. In lieu of not being able to strike, the police & fire fighters are able to go to an arbitration panel if they can't reach a collective bargaining settlement. The arbitration is run by a panel that has given very favorable contracts to the PBA & firefighters union over the years because the PBA & firefighter unions has a voice along with local governments in the selection of the panels.

The reason why salaries of police and firefighters are so high is because the way the arbitration panel comes to a decision is based on comparing like areas. Even in these economic difficult times when so many people are out of work, arbitration panels are awarding salary increases of over 4% a year.

Elected officials have to make difficult choices--do we settle contracts and award increases greater than what we would give other employees but less than what arbitration panels have awarded other localities to avoid arbitration panel determinations OR do we reject contracts --only to see an arbitration award made that is even higher than that we think we could afford? If we don't settle we are taking a big risk. If we do settle we may be granting increases that we normally would not grant, if there was no arbitration panel in place?

Another negative to the arbitration concept-- if members of the PBA or firefighters union receive a large increase, members of the Teamsters and CSEA (which are not subjected to arbitration procedures) have a stronger case that they, too, should be entitled to larger salary adjustments? How can local governments justify giving some employees a 4% increase and others a zero or one percent increase? The CSEA and Teamsters use the arbitration awards to push for salary increases for themselves.

If our state lawmakers want to help local governments cut back on spending and if they would like to see property taxes come under control - the elimination of arbitration would be an important step. Taxpayers who are concerned about the high cost of government should reach out to all candidates for state-wide office and our State Legislators and ask them to support this needed reform.

Sincerely,

PAUL FEINER
Greenburgh Town Supervisor

Jody Fox January 31, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Abby, I have written to my congressman/ now congresswoman, my Senators, and chairman of several committees regarding no cap on FICA . I've also written about Hedge Fund Managers who take their income as capital gains to avoid paying for FICA.
Kevin Roy January 31, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Jeff, there are 50 police/fire personal that make $200k or more in Clarkstown. That's total, so not sure about the breakdown b/w base and overtime. Another interesting stat is that the average total comp for government employees in Clarkstown is above $100k.
jeff meyer February 1, 2013 at 11:43 am
slivin, It is very hard to debate someone who is so bitter. You chose your career did you not? Try to enjoy and appreciate life. If you are capable. JM Tuckahoe, NY
jeff meyer February 1, 2013 at 11:45 am
Teleman, I see nothing as a entitlement. I see it as a labor agreement. Your comments are simply irrational. JM Tuckahoe, NY
jeff meyer February 1, 2013 at 11:53 am
Mike, for me to opine on the Clarktown PD would not be wise since I know little about it. However, I do know that every department is doing more with less and scaling back on manpower. Also, population is only one factor in determining staffing. Others such as vehicular traffic, roadways, highways, commercial properties are a few of the others. White Plains is a example of a city with a population of less then 60k but with a force of about 200 because of its demographics. JM Tuckahoe, NY
john slivin February 1, 2013 at 09:39 pm
Jeff you are a smug prick and unions are sucking the life out of our communities I leave u with that.....ps go to hell toolboy
john slivin February 1, 2013 at 09:41 pm
And this not debate the system as is is broken and unsustainable I can't debate with someone who has milked to to the end
jeff meyer February 1, 2013 at 09:59 pm
Slivin, very nice sentence. As coherent as ever. JM
Harold1968 February 11, 2013 at 08:49 pm
Every job has "requirements" and "is demanding" in it's own way. Saying otherwise is ignorant and insulting to anyone NOT employed as a policeman or firefighter. Nobody forces a person to become a police officer or firefighter and they are fully aware of the requirements/demands when they enter their professions. Their salaries and benefits are "so high" when compared to the same professions throughout the rest of the country. If these positions were based on the free market instead of contracts created by unions and their paid-for politicians then police and fire salaries/benefits would be substantially less. The same job applicants would accept the demands and requirements at much lower salaries and benefits. Just look around the rest of the country if you want to confirm that. When you have 500 people apply for five positions then you know supply and demand is out of whack and you're paying your policemen/firefighters way too much. Wake up taxpayers of New York! If Michigan can become a right-to-work state then so can New York! There are three hardworking taxpayers for every one union employee in New York. We have the votes to take back New York from the corrupt public employee unions! Wake up!
Rich S. February 11, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Can anyone explain to me why a Yonkers fireman who will get a guaranteed pension and health benefits needs to start at $71,000 when they already have access to unlimited OT? Enough already.
Jody Fox February 12, 2013 at 12:23 am
I can't explain why a suburban police officer gets more than NYC Police Officers but it's so. Suburban taxpayers elect politicians who wish to pay that amount.
What mystifies me even more is why OT is not properly addressed in pension calculation. There should be a maximum includable in pension calculation. An attempt to address that was in legislation that restricted that maximum amount that can be used in pension calculation https://www.osc.state.ny.us/retire/members/final_average_salary.htm but obviously that was insufficient and should be corrected. Massive overtime is usually the rest of management ( your elected politicians) inability to hire the right number of employees.
Watchdog February 12, 2013 at 01:42 am
Jody,overtime excess also be caused by the excessive amount of time off in police contracts..
Cops Time Off in Clarkstown NY Rockland County 30 Vacation Days..some get 35 24 Sick Days.....are they that sick? 8 bereavement days...how many times did aunt Molly die? 12 Holidays 7 Personal Days 81 Days Off in their contract 5 x 52 = 260 work days in a year They have 81 Days off in. their. contract 360-81 = 179 days work....less than one-half the year.
Harold1968 February 12, 2013 at 02:55 am
The average Westchester taxpayer will retire at 67. The average public employee retires in their 50's. The taxpayer has no guaranteed income when they retire. The public employee has a generous, guaranteed pension for life. The average taxpayer pays thousands of dollars for health care every year. The majority of public employees pay nothing, or a nominal amount for their health coverage. The average taxpayer has no job security and the possibility of a pay cut every year depending on the economy. The public employee has guaranteed annual raises (two annual raises for teachers) every year in their contract. People love to talk about the privileged "1%". Public employees are the true privileged class. It's time for New York to become a Right-To-Work state. It's time for public employees to earn what the average taxpayer earns, retire when the average taxpayer retires, and pay their fair share of their health coverage. Wake up New York taxpayers. There are three hardworking taxpayers for every union employee. We have the votes to take back New York.
Harold1968 February 12, 2013 at 03:01 am
You said it John. It's time for the taxpayer to take back New York. There are three taxpayers for every union employee in New York. We have the votes. We need to ask our 'representatives" if they are for the unions or the taxpayers. If they say anything other than "the taxpayers" then they need to be voted out. They need to know that the taxpayer knows about their cozy relationship with public employee unions and that we've had it.
Jody Fox February 12, 2013 at 06:04 am
I guess I'm not one of your averages. I paid over $1700.00 for prescriptions last year, never mind the health insurance premiums, the $1000.00 deductible, as well as copays the same as you. In the 35 years that I worked for government, there were at least 10 years where I received 0%. I also remember the years where I earned 3% when inflation raged in the 70's and private employees were getting 7% and engineers, computer programmers, physicians laughed at their contemporaries in the public sector who instead of making the big bucks in the private sector were making sure that bridges were safe, food that you ate was safe. If you were unfortunate enough to need services for your parents and children that you could not afford there were public institutions such as Roswell Park Cancer Center, Helen Hayes Rehab. Center, Rockland Chiildrens Psychiatric Center, Nathan Kline Institute, where people worked lovingly at below scale jobs so that people like you could have services if needed. But one of the reasons that they were able to do it was they had those pensions.
They say that people get the government that they deserve. Watch your future when you are unable to get people to become public employees. Governments will contract out for services. That way when you complain to legislators they can tell you "that's the contract we could afford with your taxes". There will not be an immediate way to change things in programs that you do not like, they will be locked into a contract.
Harold1968 February 12, 2013 at 05:23 pm
I would take contracting out services any day of the week. All we have now are back-room deals between public sector unions and their paid-for politicians. The taxpayer gets the short end of the stick the way the process works now.
Attention New York taxpayers! Ask your representative if they are pro-taxpayer or pro-union. If they say anything other than "pro-taxpayer" then vote them out.
Billy February 12, 2013 at 05:45 pm
Don't worry Jody, soon you'll be able to rely on Obamacare for all of your needs!
Harold, we'd still be better off without any county government. Its just another layer that we don't need. No county goverment in CT and they get along just fine.
Rich S. February 12, 2013 at 08:03 pm
For profit healthcare is a catastrophe. How can anyone advocate a system that denies service to those who need it most? Makes my skin crawl. Count on it: National healthcare is inevitable. It's already here (medicare and medicaid). As boomers rapidly age and the system gets stressed, the only way to keep the system afloat will be to leverage care and cost across the entire population, not just the elderly. And for the dodos who keep screaming socialism, maybe you should be aware that in many countries, the payout is 20% private, 80%. And other than cancer care, healthcare is far more affordable.
Obamacare is deeply flawed but we have to start somewhere. I own my own business and there is no way in hell I can shell out $1500+ a month for healthcare. Google Healthcare + Netherlands to see a medical coverage system that works very well. No place is perfect but this is as good as it gets.
jeff meyer February 12, 2013 at 09:11 pm
A national health care system is inevitable. It is only a matter of time since a growing majority of the citizenry lacks access to affordable health care. I was in Israel last year and everyone I spoke to loves their national health care system. It will come. JM Tuckahoe, NY
Mike Hirsch February 12, 2013 at 09:30 pm
I agree with you that we do need government sponsored healthcare, though I think it should be left up to the states. The Federal Government has shown that they are incapable of enacting meaningfull legislation in this regard. Whether or not it is inevitable, I guess we'll see. The healthcare that I received during my 4 years in Israel was perfectly fine.
Rich S. February 12, 2013 at 09:42 pm
I meant to say 20% private, 80% government as far as payments and other than cancer care, outcomes in Europe far exceed ours at a much lower percentage of GDP. Where Europe screws themselves is with top heavy civil service. Too many people working for the government.
Billy February 12, 2013 at 10:37 pm
And you don't think that's going to happen here? Get real & I think we're doomed but I'll hold judgment on that until tonight when I here what the big O has planned for the economy. At least I hope he's got a plan other than simply taxing the rich some more, but I have doubts.
Teleman February 12, 2013 at 10:47 pm
The goal all along should have been to reduce costs- we have the best medical system in the world- primarily because the free market spurred innovation. The problem is and has always been cost- how about tort reform so a doctor doesn't have to go near bankrupt to provide himself with malpactice insurance? removing onerous regulations on drug development? It is the insurance and cost part of the system that must be fixed- bamacare does nothing for that. I personally don't want the government running my healthcare-
Teleman February 12, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Talk to a Vet who is trying to obtain VA benefits- you don't want that, trust me.
Aintthatascam February 13, 2013 at 12:49 am
He is still campaigning....
John Anderson February 13, 2013 at 12:53 am
I bet he's going to try to link a better economy with Immigration.
Jody Fox February 13, 2013 at 02:06 am
Watchdog, your politicians are doing the negotiating for the time off in contracts. Certainly you don't expect the employee to complain about what is offered ?
Watchdog February 13, 2013 at 02:44 am
Jody Jody, you indicated that overtime was the result of not having the proper number of employees and when I suggested that it was the result of haning too much time off AND GAVE YOU THE DETAIL AS FOLLOWS:
Cops Time Off in Clarkstown NY Rockland County 30 Vacation Days..some get 35 24 Sick Days.....are they that sick? 8 bereavement days...how many times did aunt Molly die? 12 Holidays 7 Personal Days 81 Days Off in their contract 5 x 52 = 260 work days in a year They have 81 Days off in. their. contract 360-81 = 179 days work....less than one-half the year. your reply was "Certainly you don't expect the employee to complain about what (time off) is offered?" May I suggest that you are no longer making any sense? The subject was overtime and its causes, not employees complaining. But you already know that. Taliking in circles never works..
Watchdog February 13, 2013 at 02:46 am
Bush did it.
Jody Fox February 13, 2013 at 05:25 am
Watchdog - You can suggest anything you want. If you really want any comprehension of an issue, you need to read the sentence that I wrote. Politicians are negotiating the contract.

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