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GOP Poll: Insiders Back Paul Ryan, But Say State's a Lost Cause

One day after Mitt Romney taps the Wisconsin congressman as his running mate, Republicans in New York call move a smart one.

While analysts are debating whether Mitt Romney's choice of conservative Rep. Paul Ryan for his vice presidential running mate will help the GOP tip the scales in key battleground states, Republicans in New York told Patch the move might galvanize the party, but not enough to win this traditionally blue state.

Of the 25 political insiders who answered our Red Empire snap poll this weekend, more than two-thirds said the Wisconsin congressman will energize Republicans in the state, so much so that the same percentage thought having Ryan on the ticket will sway undecided voters to vote red.

But don't confuse that with optimism.

"New York is a lost cause ... no matter who Romney had picked. Too many NY'ers willing to accept Government handouts, kick the problems down the road and live on the next generation's wealth," one respondent said.

"New York is a flyover state, and Romney would lose even if Hillary Clinton was his running mate," said another.

Overall, most of the survey answers we received pointed to Romney having a stronger ticket with Ryan as his running mate, specifically because of Ryan's budget approach. More than two-thirds disagreed that a shift by the Democrats to campaign aggressively against Ryan's budget philosophy, which focuses on heavy cuts to government programs such as Medicare, would help them win a second term in the White House. Although, as of Sunday, President Barack Obama's senior campaign adviser David Axelrod had already dubbed Ryan's budget plans "the Ryan-Romney Plan," according to the Huffington Post, to link the presidential candidate with Ryan's controversial stance.

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Streamlining wasteful government spending, reforming government programs and trimming the deficit were all priorities for respondents, with most lauding Ryan for appealing to those.

"His budget positions, while imperfect, contain some interesting ideas. Spending will be a big issue this year and the GOP can do better with fiscally conservative voters because of Ryan's presence," one respondent said.

Another dubbed Ryan, "An articulate, energetic expert on solving the dire fiscal/employment problems that the Democrats have failed at for the past 4 years."

The Red Empire Survey

Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican activists, party leaders and elected officials in New York. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions. Surveys were conducted between July 23 and July 31, 2012.

Patch will be conducting Red Empire State and Blue Empire State surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives and liberals on the ground in New York. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly survey that lasts just a few minutes, please email Henry@patch.com.

Red Empire Roster: Linda Cabral Marrero, Village of Ossining Mayoral Candidate, Pete Tripodi, Town of Ossining Councilman, Kim Izzarelli, 95th New York State Assembly District Candidate, Bob Terilli, Former Village of Ossining Trustee Candidate, Steve Dewey, Former Town of Ossining Councilman Candidate, John Murphy, Rockand County Legislator, Denis Troy, Orangetown Councilman, Paul Valentine, Orangetown Councilman, Tom Diviny, Orangetown Councilman, Tom Morr, Orangetown Councilman, Quinton Van Wynen, Pearl River Schools, Richie Bell, Head of the Pelham Republican Committee, Michael Recca, Westchester County Young Republicans, Michele Em, Activist, Steve Fuchs, Republican Town Committee Chairman, Elizabeth Bermel, Director of the Scarsdale Library, Jim Maisano, County Legislator, Ilyse Spertus, Former City Council Candidate, Peter Parente, Former Mayoral Candidate, Dennis Starr, Activist, Denise Ward, Attorney, Norm Rosenblum, Village of Mamaroneck Mayor, Lou Santoro, Village of Mamaroneck Deputy Mayor/Trustee, Maryanne Genovese, Party Chairwoman, Don Derrico, Party Chairman, Donald Sutherland, Republican Committee Secretary, Marlane Amelio, Councilwoman, Steve Malfitano, Councilman/Former Supervisor, Joe Cannella, Councilman, Luke Vander Linden, Bedford GOP Member, Robert Castelli, State Assemblyman, Lee Roberts, Bedford Town Supervisor, Don Scott, Bedford GOP Chair, Nan Hayworth, Congresswoman, Ed Day, Rockland County Legislator, Bob Axelrod, Clarkstown Republican Committee Chair, Christopher Carey, Rockland County Legislator, Frank Borelli, Clarkstown Town Councilman, Vincent Reda, Rockland County GOP Chair and Mitt Romney Lower Hudson Valley Campaign Coordinator, Matthew Slater, Vice President of Yorktown GOP, Terrence Murphy, Yorktown Councilman, Jennie Menton-Grasso, Community Member, Tony Grasso, Former Yorktown Councilman, Elizabeth Hudak, Southeast Councilwoman, Will Stephens, Former State Assemblyman, Jim Schoenig, Mayor for the Village of Brewster, Eric Cyprus, Vice Chair of Southeast Republican Committee, Terri Patton Stockburger, Village of Brewster Trustee, Bob Cullen, Southeast Councilman, Edwin Alvarez, Southeast Councilman, Michael Bartolotti, Chairman of Southeast Republicans, Robert Kirkwood, Former New Castle Supervisor Candidate, Gary Murphy, Activist, Judy McGrath, Activist, Robert Castelli, State Assemblyman, Robin Murphy, Activist, Christine Miscioscia, Former Tarrytown Trustee Candidate, Eleanor Miscioscia, Former Tarrytown Trustee Candidate, Philip E. Zegarelli, Former Sleepy Hollow Mayor, Jennifer Lobato-Church, Sleepy Hollow Trustee, George Lence, GOP Donor, Michael Smith, County Legislator, Terence Guerriere, White Plains Republican District Leader, Iris Pagan, Westchester County Women’s Republican Club, Bob Jackson, Former County Legislator, Ed Romaine, Suffolk County Legislator, Chris Talbot, Southold Town Councilman, John Galla, Riverhead GOP Chairman, Denis Noncarrow, Southold GOP Chairman, George Gabrielesen, Riverhead Town Councilman, Jim Wooten, Riverhead Town Councilman, Jesse Garcia, Chairman of Brookhaven GOP, Angelo Lomonte, Long Beach Zoning Board Member, Chris Wendt, Republican Supporter, Frank Scaturro, 4th Distruct Congressional Candidate, David McDonough, State Assemblyman, Gary Hudes, Hempstead Town Councilman, Jogi Giglio, Riverhead Town Councilwoman, Mark Epley, Southampton Village Mayor, William Wright, Southampton Town Republican Committee Chairman, Jane Bonner, Brookhaven Town Councilwoman, Joan Adams Owner of Pierian Consulting, Ari Kirschenbaum, Director of Chabad Prospect Heights & Fort Greene, Juan Reyes, Supporter, Vince Tabone, Supporter, Louis Perrotta III, Supporter, Christopher Allred, Supporter, Scott Russell, Southold Town Supervisor, Robert Creighton, Smithtown Town Councilman, Peter McGreevy, Commodore at Orient Yacht Club, Ralph Ekstrand, Farmingdale Mayor, Dina DeGiorgio, North Hempstead Councilwoman, Dave Franklin, Port Washington Police Commissioner, Thomas J. Kehoe, Northport Village Trustee, Warren Church, Syosset American Legion Commander, Linda Manning-Koziatek, Realtor, Glenn Nocera, President of the Brooklyn Young Republican Club, Joe Bloecker, East Hampton Town Trustee, Don Derham, Federalist's Society of Long Island, Betty Manzella, Vice Chair of the Brookhaven Republicans, Dan Panico, Town of Brookhaven Councilman.

Norman August 14, 2012 at 06:33 pm
This election is a slam dunk for Romney just out of the anti Obamaism that's out there. If any of you really think Obama has a chance, then you're living in a bubble, which is basically what ny state, rockland county is, it's a bubble full of liberals.
Moon August 14, 2012 at 06:35 pm
Paul Ryan scares me.....I'm an independent in Southeastern NC....very hard right leaning area. The Southern Republicans down here look at NY republicans as miss guided independents/liberals that think they are far right. If you could see what I see down here in the southern Republican mindset of how and where this country should go I think it would scare most NY Republicans to a much more central political area. People here go to church (Baptists) and are told who to vote for....and there are white churches that make it clear they do not like anybody that thinks different or looks different from there majority. Large parts of Southeastern US and Midwest are just like this. There is a very scary movement that is going on in this country and it is blinded by its own agenda of greed. I'm an Republican turned independent and I'm all for Medicare reform and Fiscal responsibility. The Rommey plan for a Medicare Voucher Program is an open door for companies to grab money of hard working people. I believe Medicare can and should be made stronger with the main rule that it is not touched by any member of Congress or the Senate nor any government entity. I do not believe the Rommey agenda is for American's but more for American corporations which is where we came from. I do not believe that this is the best nor fair for the AMERICAN CITIZENS..!!
Moon August 14, 2012 at 06:36 pm
And Yes I am from NY.
Norman August 14, 2012 at 06:37 pm
Moon, you're not an independent, you're a liberal. You probably think anti abortion people are scary too.
Bjorn Olsson August 14, 2012 at 06:52 pm
Is Medicare ending?
Bjorn Olsson August 14, 2012 at 07:00 pm
PBS and NPR are the only US broadcast news sources available to grown ups.
No serious economist would blame Obama for the current deficit, that is completely silly. Maybe he could have done a better job catching the falling knife, but he sure as heck did not throw it.
Bjorn Olsson August 14, 2012 at 07:03 pm
Let's check in on that statement later in the fall, shall we? It's hard to see that Romney/Ryan will have any wide appeal. Not even the conservatives like Romney. But election is still WAY to far away, a lot of bullshit under the bridge to go.
Bjorn Olsson August 14, 2012 at 07:03 pm
When they carry sniper rifles they sure get pretty scary.
Aidan August 14, 2012 at 07:37 pm
Bjorn ... neither PBS or NPR are grown up. They only have a more complete thesaurus on hand. Same bias, different reading level.
Aidan August 14, 2012 at 07:38 pm
"There is a very scary movement that is going on in this country and it is blinded by its own agenda of greed. " I know those democrats, too.
jeff meyer August 14, 2012 at 07:51 pm
Francis, both parties were complicit in the housing bubble. Many DEM constituents had easier access to mortgages and hone owning. Many GOP constituents (Finance) reaped a bonanza on easy mortgages. Furthermore I still see a great change with mortgages. Lenders are back to a 20% minimum down payment with a Income/employment verification and a thorough credit check. That is why there is a glut of cheap houses and condos in Florida. Even though the prices are cheap people can NOT qualify for mortgages. Jeff Meyer St. Pete/Tuckahoe,NY
Francis T McVetty August 14, 2012 at 09:44 pm
Bjorn Olsson, you almost fooled us with your credibility till this statement "When they carry sniper rifles they sure get pretty scary.". Really? Please stay away from the Kool-Aid, it is NOT good for you. You get stupid when you drink it. Especially when it is served with NPR & PBS.
Bjorn Olsson August 14, 2012 at 10:46 pm
...and there's the ad hominem from Francis. Hey, when you say "us," who do you represent?
Wonderboy August 14, 2012 at 11:41 pm
The collapse began on 9/11.
Wonderboy August 14, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Sniper rifles?
Hey, I think Obama will win, and this country will spiral downward faster and faster, look at the people voting for him.
Mike August 15, 2012 at 12:38 am
You do recall last summer when the so called Super committee composed of 6 Dems and 6 Reps could not reach consensus on Domestic and Defense cuts. Why place all blame on one side. Now we have mandatory cuts of 50/50 against domestic and military spending taking effect Jan 1
Moon August 15, 2012 at 04:35 am
Hey Norman, No I don't think anti abortion people are scary. I don't condone abortion nor recomend it for anyone I'm more of a republican then you will ever be. Have you ever lived anywhere else in this beautiful country we live in or have you been hiding in NYS (Rockland County my guess) and bitching about everything your whole life or maybe you retired from working in NYS made your money and moved somewhere else. Some people have something to say here even if they don't agree with each other....we talk to each other. I moved out of NYS 25 years ago because of taxes being to high. Yes I don't like high tax rates and I'm a independent go figure. You're a typical NY big mouth bigot who thinks he knows everything and anybody that does not agree with you is stupid. Keep talking like that Norman, you're a dead give-a-way. You probably were not even in the military. I was.....and recieved a Purple Heart. Try thinking before you open your mouth to insult someone...You may be able to contribute to the conversation...!!! You need to get out and see the real world.
Francis T McVetty August 15, 2012 at 11:59 am
Bjorn Olsson, the "us" is probable 65% of the general public. There are people that actually are NOT fooled by the snake oil salesman in Washington. He made promises and has NOT for filled them. He blames everyone else for HIS failures. In other words , he can't or won't take responsibility for his failed plans. I do thank him for his decision to take out Osama over Valerie Bowman Jarrett's objection. He at least had the stones to do that.
Bjorn Olsson August 15, 2012 at 01:05 pm
So you are speaking for a majority of the country, not just the conservatives on this board. I think you may be right, a lot of people are probably disappointed, but that doesn't mean they agree with you in any way, shape or form. Left-leaners are not as engaged this time, since Obama has demonstrated that he is not one of them. Thing is he never ran as anything else than a centrist, his big promise was to try to collaborate with both sides. The GOP has made a point of being against whatever Obama is for, even if that happens to be things they themselves used to support, so to get anything done he will probably have to drop the bipartisan agenda.
Tom Robbins August 15, 2012 at 01:26 pm
Classic Democrat lies and blog talking points. First the internet has created jobs not killed them, second unions have all but killed jobs in NY, CA is the only state a bit further along in the process of bankruptcy, third any changes being proposed to Medicare don't apply to those 55 and over. In other words those retired or those going to in the next decade. Your an idiot because you don't learn you just parrot what MSNBC tells you
Tom Robbins August 15, 2012 at 01:32 pm
Jeff as usual you are only spewing MSNBC talking points. Medicare may be doomed but because of ObamaCare not eh GOP. None of the changes in RR's plans impact anyone over 55, typical scare tactics. CA and NY are bought and paid for by union money but then so WAS WI. The non-union citizens are tired of being unemployed and paying public union employees ridiculous salaries, i.e. $100k to be a meter maid. If the Unions succeed in this election then we will go the way of Greece.
Tom Robbins August 15, 2012 at 01:41 pm
Fully a lie. I purposely spend an equal amount of time on both channels and the difference is STARK. Never do I see a conservative on MSNBC to share/argue their point of view. At least Fox brings liberals on to voice their opinions.
Tom Robbins August 15, 2012 at 01:42 pm
Walden, get of your moms computer and go play kickball with your friends. Its a beautiful day out.
Tom Robbins August 15, 2012 at 01:44 pm
If you believe what you typed about MSNBC here then there is no hope for us all. MSNBC is a paid shill for the democratic party. Not only do they coordinate with them they are them.
Agree on no single source of news but the problem is that nobody takes the time, and frankly they shouldnt have to.
Aidan August 15, 2012 at 02:01 pm
Please. Obama a centrist?
RivertownsMark August 15, 2012 at 02:18 pm
Obama will win, it won't be that close (310+ electoral votes) and that's because he's far closer to the center than Ryan or Romney. He passed a healthcare plan built on a Heritage Foundation model implemented by a (ahem!) Republican governor. He vigorously and singlemindedly pursued terrorists and got the one that atacked our country. He passed financial sector reform straight out of the centrist playbook (oooh! A Consumer Protection Agency whose first act was to simplify mortgage closing statements! Scary!). He saved the American auto industry, saving millions of jobs. He reformed student loans, putting literally hundreds of millions back into loans and out of intermediaries' pockets. He appointed two excellent justices. He came out in favor of gay marriage (ah! that's pretty left, I guess). Am I disappointed? Are you kidding? No. I defy anyone on this board to list FOUR accomplisments of equal stature out of EIGHT years of Bush. (1. Education reform. 2. AIDS for Africa)(the tax cut he passed has caused 70% of our deficit and created no new jobs like it was supposed to).
Walden Macnair August 15, 2012 at 02:30 pm
Choosing Paul Ryan has significantly hurt Romney's chances of ever seeing the White House. Ryan was the co-sponsor of a federal "personhood" bill that would give a zygote all the rights of a real person. This not only impacts on abortions but would outlaw artificial insemination due to the disposal of most of the fertilized eggs after a pregnancy is achieved. He's also sponsored a bill to require women to undergo ultrasound procedures prior to abortive services and lets not even begin to look at the Ryan Budget Plan which guts medicare. Worse than that he wants to privatize social security and replace it with a defined benefit. (Anyone remember their 401's losing 40% of their value?) What would happen if that was your only pension.
Paul Ryan is not a moderate republican. He is an extreme right wing, Tea Party candidate and he's not even honest about that. I fully expect that President Obama will serve another four years.
Francis T McVetty August 15, 2012 at 05:01 pm
Are you kidding with this one ? [He appointed two excellent justices.] Both were not qualified and only were appointed because they were women.
Where has the deficit been reduced during his term? 15.8 trillion and climbing. This one is a real beauty [He vigorously and singlemindedly pursued terrorists and got the one that atacked our country.] You don't seem to think that the Bush policies that were in place had anything to do with that? Show me where the Obama heath care plan was built on the Heritage Foundation plan? Show me where he has proposed a budget that was passed by the democrats. Please also show me where the EPA has helped our economy. Obama is left of Bill Clinton, who was smart enough to move to the center when the going got tough. By the way with the help of the republicans. He has NOT worked with anybody on the right during his term in office. To say he has, is a LIE!!! From his own mouth, I won. Remember him saying that?<,http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/01/23/obama-to-gop-i-won/ >
Bjorn Olsson August 15, 2012 at 05:05 pm
Yes, any evidence to the contrary?
Francis T McVetty August 15, 2012 at 05:12 pm
@ Walden Macnair, show me where [Ryan Budget Plan which guts medicare] !!! More lies by you liberals. Almost anyone who has invested their money in the stock market has come out ahead. if a person had invested what they had put into SS in the stock market they would retire with a return of 10 times the amount they would get from SS. That is a fact!!! There is one municipality in Texas that has proved that point. We don't have that option. That should be an option. It is also funny that this " radical right winger " has been elected over and over again in a predominately DEMOCRAT district. He must be doing and saying something right!! By the way since you are SO smart, how would you go about saving Medicare and Social security? Oh, wait like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, you will tell me they are not in trouble, Right?

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